I am passionate about aviation ,engineering, innovations. I am not political, showey or pretend. The people and experiences from the challenge have been meaningful to me. The amateurish conduct of the Gofly prize has been a huge disappointment. I dont think they are listening to use. Few of the "winners" can meet their own rule requirements. Why is asking for a number score so unreasonable for them to give us. I think because there was never a number score to begin with , Its all pretend and show. How many aircraft out there can fly on pretend? Not many.
How many people are going on to phase II after we have been jilted in phase I. Most of the experienced ones i know of will not participate. This is hard to do, to make a commitment of a lot of time, money and risking your life, for an oganization based on glamour not science and engineering. I cant see this working. Maybe some how a phase I device will make all the requirements. But they will do it in a field of competition that has shrunk considerably. Making their accomplishments less valid. Important machines, like mine, that can satisfy all the requirements with ease, will not be built.
@Liz Treadwell Hi Liz It is Friday 6/22/2018 and we are all still waiting for our scoring ranking or reason for our elimination from phase 1. You wrote on 6/17/2018 quote "Thank you for your post.
We recognize your desire for feedback on your Phase I entry.
Those who have submitted Phase I entries will be contacted by GoFly this week with additional information on the scoring of their submissions."
Please let us know what is happening in this regard, or please get someone with more authority to to answer our concerns in this matter. Ignoring us is not the answer. Unless a transparent response from Go Fly is received soon we may have to take legal action against all involved in putting on this contest. I am not threatening any one I am only trying to make you aware of the situation.
To all submitters, Team Gordon, agrees with the above requests for our scores as promised by the end of today.. If any submitters don't agree on Go Fly honesty and transparency, please post now and explain to us why. I am open to all comments.
To all you complainers, did you ever consider that there may in fact be some outstanding entries, far better than the 10 publicly selected (or potentially so)? And that Boeing knows which ones they are? One of them might be yours. If so, why on earth would Boeing show them to the world? To give the competition (and potential US enemies) a two-year head start? So, I really suggest that you stop complaining and continue with the competition.
No one owes you anything, especially not transparency. Just because it's a fashionable buzz-word does not mean it applies to the competitive business world and to such an important and critical competition.
Added note: But I think there is also something the rest of us can learn from each of the 10 winning entries. Never mind whether they passed the dimension restrictions, etc.
@Gary Gress Wow from where this Logic!!! This is a scientific challenge, "... To give the competition (and potential US enemies) a two-year head start" hahahahaha this one is the best
@GoFly it is necessary that GoFly publishes a minimum of informations on the winning entries (the minimum is the size of each entry, since the entries are not satisfying the rules, then GoFly must prove that each entry is OK with rules), the goal is to prove that these are really the winning entries (I don't have a problem with the Top 10, my problem is: can this be the winners)
In the opposite case, it is really necessary that GoFly refunds teams (submission fees, time spent, efforts, all the money spend by each team ...)
As sent earlier this week, while judge’s scores and comments will not be shared, you can request mentors to review your submission during the early moments of Phase II, and these mentors can and will provide feedback on your submission.
@Gary Gress hey Gary , I suppose you think you have the winning design, Did you know Mythbusters did a segment on the bicopter . When searching the internet there have been many bicopters. None of them worked so far, so do you have an in with Boeing on alien technology, That would explain why you are protecting their dishonest procedures, joking by the way i am not a complainer, but i do stand up for improper proceedures. I dont care any more, i am a spectator. Have fun busting your butt and spending your money. joking
So Im wondering now - do we get to see the other 150 or so entries? or do they remain secret? I mean apart from the few who have posted pics here like Birman etc.
Maybe you missed it but Go-Fly did provide additional information after June 17th.:
"Subject: Additional Information on Phase I Judging Process
Competitors,
Last Thursday we announced the winners of Phase I, and were so appreciative of the enthusiasm and support that was extended both internally from our community and externally from the public.
It is, without a doubt, an exciting moment for the winners. But it’s also a moment for us to recognize the many strong submissions that were not chosen as winners. We understand and feel the disappointment that several have expressed, and for this reason are sharing additional details around judging.
Every Phase I submission went through a rigorous judging process, being reviewed in several rounds by a panel of 97 industry experts. The pool of judges included numerous chief engineers, flight test engineers, technical fellows, specific subject matter experts, and pilots from a collection of the world’s most innovative and prestigious aerospace companies and experts.
The judging process involved several stages of evaluating the submissions, and by the time a winning submission went through the entire process, over 20 individual judges had evaluated each submission. The first round consisted of an eligibility round, and all 164 submissions conformed to the eligibility rules and were passed along to the second round of judging.
In the second round of judging, each submission was reviewed by a total of 13 judges: 4 technical content and feasibility judges, 3 novel innovation and market consideration judges, 3 safety judges, and 3 project execution judges. Each judge scored his or her area and in addition provided a score for organization, clarity, and succinctness. Please refer to section 1.1 of the Official Guidelines for the scoring rubric all judges followed.
After that judging round, the teams with scores within the top 20% of all submissions were then sent through to the third round of judging. In this third round of judging, 10 judges who were not involved in any prior judging reviewed the entire submission of each of the teams in the top 20%, utilizing the same judging categories in the second round: technical content and feasibility, novel innovation and market considerations, safety considerations, project execution feasibility, and organization, clarity, and succinctness. After each judge assigned scores to each of the top 20% of submissions, the judges convened for a multi-hour discussion to determine the 10 Phase I Prize Winners.
In Phase II, as part of our Mentor Program, all teams will be matched with a mentor that can and will review Phase I entries and provide critical feedback around areas for improvement. Mentors will be present to work with teams throughout the Phase. If you or your team does not yet have a Phase II mentor, please fill out the Request A Mentor document, here, to be matched.
We all know that success in engineering is often the result of perseverance and determination, and as we move into the next round we are here to help you attain success. In the coming weeks, we will also be sharing additional details on scoring for Phase II.
Should you have additional questions on Phase II, please reach out to us directly. We will get back to you as soon as possible."
@ExpAir I signed the same documents as all the other entrants did. In one document it said only a media picture would be released to the public. I trust that will stand. I for one, do not want the IP from my team's entry being released to the public, nor to the entrants. While some entrants may have dropped out, we have not. Others are bickering, we are developing. To them I say "see ya in my rear view glass display."
@Ken Burner Hi Ken - thanks for that info. I do wish you success, though i really question the outcome of so much judging yielding the results they have. So either the rest of the entires were in fact of even lesser quality, or the judging is questionable. Now if you believe the judging was of excellent standard, then how do you yourself go forward with a design that has not made the cut? Now personally i dont devalue your machine or the likelihood of a good result, but I do question anyone investing time and money when judging is in question. I personally dont have a grudge since I did not enter phase 1, but i certainly feel along with all the competitors asking for explanations and transparency. Of course I dont think theres anything wrong with developing your craft anyway - but you could do so probably to better effect outside of the GoFly competition. Anyway - I still wish you well and of course I didnt mean for folks to give up IP, but merely a media style photo would be great, so in the same vein as the tope 10 entries photos, without any details.
If you like the following e-mail I sent to CNN, copy paste and e-mail it (or send your own).
Thanks Manolis Pattakos
The BOEING GoFly contest as the CNN presented it, and the actual truth / the facts ________________________________________________________________________________________
To the CNN head editors about CNN’s video for the BOEING GoFLy contest:
Quote from https://www.herox.com/GoFly/press: GoFly coverage from Avweb (20 Febr 2018): So far more than 2,000 people have signed up to be part of Boeing’s GoFly challenge, . . .
April 19, 2018:
Quote from https://www.herox.com/GoFly/updates “GoFly Celebrates Phase I Submissions” Congratulations to all our innovators and teams for your submissions in Phase I of the GoFly challenge! Over 600 Innovators from over 30 countries across 6 continents have submitted their designs.
June 19, 2018
Quote from https://www.herox.com/GoFly/forum/thread/3100 “Message from the challenge creator”: The first round consisted of an eligibility round, and all 164 submissions conformed to the eligibility rules and were passed along to the second round of judging.
June 18, 2018
Quote from https://www.herox.com/GoFly/forum/thread/3085?page=2 Representative of GoFly: We recognize your desire for feedback on your Phase I entry. Those who have submitted Phase I entries will be contacted by GoFly this week with additional information on the scoring of their submissions.
June 23 2018
Quote from https://www.herox.com/GoFly/forum/thread/3085?page=14 Representative of GoFly: As sent earlier this week, while judge’s scores and comments will not be shared, you can request mentors to review your submission during the early moments of Phase II, and these mentors can and will provide feedback on your submission.
In the same page, the same representative of GoFy: “An explicit demonstration of maximum range is not required.”
Even Today (as you can check it out): From the top of all BOEING GoFly (Herox) web pages: “Design and build a safe, quiet, ultra-compact, near-VTOL personal flying device capable of flying 20 miles while carrying a single person.”
You informed your viewers / visitors about the BOEING – GoFly contest (September 2017). You should, similarly, inform your visitors /viewers about all the previous facts.
You should also ask the heads of BOEING what went so wrong? Why all this lack of transparency?
Thanks Manolis Pattakos
A deceived contestant of the BOEING – GoFly contest who paid 250 USD fee to participate to the contest of BOEING, and who in return will never be informed about the analytical scoring and about the ranking. Without the heavy name “BOEING” (as the CNN’s video shows) besides the unknown GoFly, I would never had paid any fee to a company like GoFly.
Please prepare and presents in the CNN a new correct video showing what is really the BOEING – GoFly contest. This way you will protect other visitors / viewrs of your channel / TV from being deceived.
I am not the only contestant that complains for unreasonable lack of transparency. Your editors can visit the GoFly forum, can see many contestants threatening to sue BOEING and can ask them about.
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